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After having watched my U13 boys play their first three or four scrimmages, I’ve noticed that they work the ball across the ball decently well, not great. However, they seem to stick with exactly how we train it, with the LB and RB not coming significantly high up the field. Therefore, it ends up being relatively flat along the back. Once I asked my backs to push up and stay even with the opponents LW and RW, we much greater success actually overlapping and working some patterns.
So with that said, im looking to get some feedback regarding some tweaks to the playing out the back Tactical training:
– begin the sequence in the normal set up, however, train getting the outside backs to push higher once we have started to keep possession and create a rhythm, using the goalkeeper as a pivot player along the back line and training the DCM to drop farther to receive
– as i just mentioned, incorporating the GK as a figure in how we can switch play along with our DCM dropping farther to allow our CBs to push wider and allow LB and RB to push higher.
– with attacking patterns, it wouldn’t seem like our LB and RB would be playing balls into our LW and RW, but rather our CBs. Therefore, training my LW and RW to lose their man as ball goes to CB, not the LB or RB since they would be pushed higher up the pitch.
Thoughts?
I’m not surprised that you’ve heard nothing back.
I was criticized before here for suggesting that the 3four3 owners took our membership fees and have provided little else since.
I’m hoping they re-join the forums here, with the same enthusiasm they used to get our membership fees, and start providing input to some of the questions, especially when they are left for so long without any feedback, whatsoever.
I’m a patient person, but it seems a but humorous that we have paid for membership in a forum with contributions almost exclusively from other members looking for help, and very little from those telling us they have all the answers.
I think your question is a good one.
Thanks, it just seems like that is what is naturally happening now with the CBs playing wider and the outside backs pushing higher up the pitch.
Also, in watching the Kleibans teams, the CBs don’t truly get that wide and the outside backs remain further back and play balls into the winger’s feet. I suppose it goes back to training how you want play to look and common situations your players dins themselves in.
Hi Ryan,
Ideally, the outside backs could be higher up the field.
But it always comes down to everyone’s specific situation, that’s why answering these types of questions is not a simple thing.
When I watch our team’s play, of course there’s a whole bunch of things I’d like to have improved, the problem lies in the following question:
Are they ready for this extra layer of training?
Maybe, but maybe not.
On paper it seems so simple, and seems like it can’t hurt. But it CAN hurt!
And our reasoning is this: “The more you try to do, the worse things get.” And by worse, I mean player understanding and execution of the core fundamentals (our framework). And then it’s like everything starts falling apart.
Now, of course you can tweak & modify the framework however you see fit. It’s just that for us, we evolve the players from this base and a very slow pace. (Probably just a couple new things per year.)
Going back to your specific points on the LB & RB pushing higher when in possession:
* This is something we actively instruct them to do during match play (if they don’t recognize when to do it themselves).
* Including the GK, I guess that depends on two things:
- Is he sufficiently technical
- Where is the possession being held
* As for the D-mid dropping between the CBs, sure that’s something that can be done. Most of the time, we would like our 6 to find space and receive behind the opponent’s front line and their midfield.
Since we’re talking about youth, for me it all goes back to establishing a simple, but rock solid possession-based framework. From that framework, players can express themselves. And then from ‘mastery’ of that framework, the coach can layer in more details as he sees fit.
Let me know how it goes Ryan!
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Gary.
Hey Ryan- I just wanted to piggy back on what Gary touched on.
It takes time to get everything looking the way you want it. Layering concepts is an extremely difficult way to coach but it is so worth it. You have to be patient.
I wrote about this EXACT stuff on my own blog a few days before Gary responded to you here. (http://theriotpig.com/2014/05/11/dont-just-stand-there-do-something/)
In my third season with my team I felt like they were finally ready to handle specific instruction on how I wanted to get my outside backs involved in the attack. Before then, we had just simply mentioned stuff, never spent hours meticulously training it, because we were meticulously training the many, many other layers that formed the foundation which we needed before we could move on.
To give you something specific that you can see and maybe use in the future, and what Frank is probably longing for, here is a video of my team in their third season with me. You can hear my coaching cues pretty clearly in this video. These cues are drilled into them at training. They know exactly what they mean.
“Haley, Hannah- GET TO WORK!” Those instructions are for my wingers. That’s telling them now is the time to lose their markers AND/OR create space for the outside backs to move forward. Without movement from the wingers, outside backs can’t go anywhere. Have your wingers dialed in their movement? If not, take a few steps back and work on that.
“NOW WE GO!!!!” The wingers made their move… the space is open for the outside backs to exploit… let’s fucking do it! You can hear me yell “FIND SARAH!” around the 1:25 mark. Sarah is the little blonde left back with acres of space ahead of her. We didn’t get her the ball, but it’s a good example for this thread.
You can hear me yell “GO SIERA! GO SIERA!” a couple of different times in this video. Siera was the right back, converted from a winger, just this season, who had maaaaybe 7-8 games under her belt at this point. She needed a lot of help on recognizing when it was on and when she needed to barrel down the line. But you can see the winger had done her job two times and dragged her marker 20 yards away from the line. Siera was supposed to be in that space 5 seconds before I started to tell her. Her fault? Not really, she was brand new there and doing the best she could. With time, she got better and better. It didn’t happen over night though.
If you’re serious about this, watch the video a couple of times, as well as the video I posted on my own blog. Sarah (the left back) did a great job of ‘messing with her marker’. She constantly changes her body position and makes/fakes runs up the line then expands out or drops back to get the ball. You can see her hips turn and movements change pretty frequently when you watch videos of my team. She was one of my most improved players over the course of the 3 years.
**Side note- This was also the first game we experimented with a “false 9” type role. I took one of my baller center mids who just couldn’t break into the starting line up and created a specific role for her as a CF. She started, played great for 60 minutes, and got her first goal of her high school career (seen in this video). But that was something we worked on at practices for a few weeks before we actually went and tried in the game. I had told her for weeks leading up to it that was my plan and I slowly started incorporating her in finishing drills as a CF and then in our patterns and so forth, until it was the week of the game and then we laid out the entire game plan with the team.
Took me a second to find this one… but this is another good example of movement up the line… You can see a girl just take off down the line and then the RCB play it perfectly to her.
You can BARELY hear it, but our holding mid is telling the girl with the ball to “play GG”. That’s the nickname of the player running down the right sideline. “GG” recognized there was space, Taylor (holding mid) saw GG take off, and did what she’s supposed to do and told our defender, Hannah, to look for it.
There are a ton of talking points on this one clip. One to focus on is the verbal and visual communication from the holding mid. Watch it full screen and you’ll see that Taylor not only tells, but shows her teammate where to play next. Taylor is a bad ass holding mid that knew she was the controller of almost everything when it came to the tempo of the game. This example, she knows she wants the ball forward but she doesn’t have it. So what does she have to do? Tell and show the person with the ball where it needs to go. This took YEARS to instill in Taylor. I started working with Taylor when she was 13… she is 18 in this video. The communication type of stuff was part of the first layer and it started only with her talking to her center backs. It slowly turned into her being the coach of everyone on the field.
**Side note on this one- this was after a 5 hour bus ride and against a top ranked team in our division playoffs. Also happened in the very first minute of the game. Players have to be switched on from the get go!!! We were… they weren’t… they got punished for it.
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